Hello,

Does anyone compose music directly on Melodyne? Import some music, slice, copy, paste and edit then move the blobs around then copy, paste, and edit again then move the blobs around again.

Do any of the artists here http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=artists compose original music directly on Melodyne?

What I am trying to do is start with a classical piece in the Melodic algorithm and use the interesting blobs and make a new piece of music. I am interested in learning the workflow, work-rounds and tip and ticks.

I am now working with ME V2 and Studio One V2 and ARA. Making some progress but must say this is not designed with me in mind. Your Comments, suggestions and help will be appreciated.

> .... start with a classical piece in the Melodic algorithm and use the interesting blobs and make a new piece of music ....

What you propose is not the primary purpose of Melodyne, but I can see it could be adapted to achieve that. Which is fine if you already own the rights to the original recording; remember that the composition is not the only copyright material you are dealing with. All else is theft.

Hello Christo,

I am aware of the basics of copyright law. I can do nearly whatever I like to any music and it as morally and ethically and legally ok, however I cannot distribute it. I can however take samples from any music if I have paid for the right to do so or if it is public domain and make an original work and distribute it.

Yes, I am aware Melodyne his is not designed with me in mind. You said “I can see it could be adapted to achieve that.” I wish you make some suggestins.

Please all further replies do not cover copyright nor why I should not do this nor that is not a good way to make music. Please read the original post and please help me if you can. Thanks.

Celemony has Melodyne Studio and Melodyne Editor. When will the Melodyne Composer be released? I suspect never as it seems I am the only here interested in using Melodyne directly to compose music.

Here are a few simple requests that will help the typical Melodyne user and so may actually be implemented. Correct? Even though it will benefit the typical user it will also help me a lot in composing on the Melodyne Editor.

To be able to copy a blob and paste it to another instance of the Editor on another track.

Allow multiple pastes from a single copy of a blob.

To be able to color the blobs.

To be able to freely move a blob outside the constraints of vertical and horizontal.

To be able to group blobs and lock/unlock them as done in Coral Draw and graphic programs. Ok this one perhaps has no use to anyone else but me. I can dream can’t I?

One more dream for me and nightmare to you. To be able to drag a blob (or blobs) directly into a sampler like Kontakt for editing and to return it to the Melodyne Editor. Ok, you have a multi-step method to make an audio sample of a blob but how does one paste it back into the Melodyne track?

As an alternative, you could try using a different DAW. Ableton Live has Session view. You could think about assembling your audio samples in a different environment while still using the editing features of Melodyne. YMMV.

Melodyne Composer? Well I like dragging things into Studio as soon as possible, especially things that include vocals which is 90%. I have suggested morphing Melodyne Editor into a Melodyne Duo with 2 tracks instead of one. If you can flip-flop the 2, you can record together with your material as you wish, build things up and do many useful things. One market would be the composing songwriters, acoustic players and singers. How many female singers are there out there? A million? What software are they using? All kinds of stuff but they are really not deep into MIDI. What they really want is to get their singing recorded, fixed and sounding best possible. Such a product could become a primary recording software for quite many people. Don't let things no-one else can do stop you from doing them.

Hello YMMV,

I tried Cubase 6, EnergyXT, Bidule and briefly Live 8 with Melodyne editor but had little success. I believe the ARA is what will help make composing music directly on Melodyne Editor possible. For the time being Studio One is the only DAW with ARA but looking forward to both Cubase and Live to support ARA.

Your suggestion to try “assembling your audio samples in a different environment” is a good one. With ARA this can be done on an audio track. It is the work flow issue which I may overcome by getting more acquainted with Studio One and Melodyne. So with the important features that would make the workflow functional now missing finding how and when and how to use the audio track vs the Melodyne track is tricky. I am getting closer but am frustrated by the missing features. So I am trying to compromise and as of now do not have a satisfactory method to improvise music.

The sample looks nice in the track but seeing them in the Melodic Algorithm they become multiple blobs. Sometime this is useful but most often it is not. There is no way to group the blobs and as the project grows it becomes unmanageable. It is very cumbersome to remove a blob then edit it in a sampler and return to the Melodyne track.

One more wish: If only the blobs were .wav or could become waves on command and copy and paste and edit as one see fit and return them to ME.

BTW I love your “Don't let the things you can't do stop you from doing the things you can do.” But it is obvious that I do not always follow this advice. Let me add that the attempt to do things that I can’t is often not successful.

creater,

I prefer to work with Melodyne Editor over Melodyne Studio for the simple reason that ME has ARA. All my music is instrumental without a voice. Not all familiar with Melodyne Duo. It would be great if Melodyne became a DAW. I suspect however that I missed the essence of your message.

Points I wanted to make was that since the Melodyne Singeltracks are singletracked, in many cases it prevents it from being effectively used as a primary composing tool on its own despite the fact that a musically editable recording software should be the best for this job. For composing (putting things together) dragging different files in, moving and selecting, building up unique tracks by adding and mixing sonic samples straight from the desktop would also be useful.

With Studio One and using Melodyne Editor with ARA one Melodyne track per audio track perhaps makes the most sense. But is this case one should be able to copy blobs from one instance of the Melodyne to another. Perhaps again I missed your explanation.

On the Stand alone Melodyne Editor two tracks is an excellent idea.

Freely getting samples (wav and such) from the desktop and instantly becoming blobs as you enter Melodyne will be extremely helpful for composing using Melodyne.

See My Revised Wished List - For the Better!
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=10636

Perhaps I don't understand your concept of composing, but can't all this be done with current Melodyne editions? If you need multi-track features, why not work in Melodyne studio? And the features that L. F. Teria suggested certainly make for a nice workflow improvement, but why do we need another "composer" edition, and how would it be different from existing Melodyne editions?

I've read Teria's post on the wish-list and I think most suggestions are relevant and ARA does speed things up when making changes. Most things can indeed be done in Melodyne Studio. I mostly had all the countless private home-studios in the back of my mind when writing my post. Many composers do music at home-studios as do painters and authors. A singer-songwriter can use Studio for recording and export the guitar to Editor to re-arrange and import it again but it would be good to have it on one plate. So currently I think to myself, there isn't a real first choice software on the market for these people. If there were, some might even choose to go straight from Melodyne to iTunes. Singers can use Studio as well but many private singers seems not to own it and/or hesitate to buy it. For instrumentals, a multi-track opens up many possibilities, a bass-track that is actually made up of many sounds is one example. A bit like a painter, composers needs easy access to all the choices.

Hello Gudmundur, Creater and all,

The “Melodyne Composer” was more of a grand statement rather than reality. By implementing my wish list, it will be a great start in averting a “Melodyne Composer” see: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=10636

The Melodyne Editor/ARA combo seems to me the best choice of tools right now to compose music manipulating blobs. Ok, I will not be able to always compose directly on Melodyne so the Melodyne Editor/ARA is a compromise. As I explore the Melodyne Editor/ARA landscape I am getting better at what I want but at the same time I constantly say “wow if ME only could do this or that!”

So yes it can be done with the current editions of Melodyne Editor and Melodyne Studio but the workflow is horrendous and the final product in the end the end is not worth hearing.

Let me explain what I want to do in ME/ARA/Studio One. I import a classical wav file. Why? Because I love the quality of the sound. I then chop off the sounds I find interesting and possibly useful and put the clips on a track. There I may merger clips and do some editing such as volume, pitch shift, stretch, fades etc. Thereafter I go into ME and play around with the blobs. This is where I need the wish list implemented. I am still practicing this workflow and do not have everything worked out yet.

I and only a tiny few others may desire to compose music in this fashion. In the end this may end up in failure but this will not be the first time. But I feel I must try it. Some people think outside the box and find themselves in another box. I am one of those.