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     Post subject: Removing Vibrato
    PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 3:57 am 
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    In the plugin manual on page 44, says " you can, of course, removed the birato too, if you wish, or tone it down, but we will deal with that later."

    later, on page 56 says: the vibrato can be reduced to "nothing" with a simple drag of a mouse.

    right on the next page says: "if we carry on dragging in a downward direction, you can even phase reverse the vibrato".

    But this only works for short notes. I cannot removed/"reduce to nothing" of any long note.

    Am I missing something? I only can reverse the vibrato and tone it down...but can I reduce it to nothing?

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.


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     Post subject: Re: Removing Vibrato
    PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:26 am 
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    That kind of editing can be problematic. You can of course select any notes and dbl-click with the pitch modulation tool to flatten this out, yes? Dbl-clicking is how you toggle "on/off" in Melodyne in many cases. But you also have pitch, pitch drift and volume to consider...removing modulation/vibrato is not easy.

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     Post subject: Re: Removing Vibrato
    PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:09 pm 
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    PT Lover wrote:
    removing modulation/vibrato is not easy.


    Thanks much. I don't know why the above quote is not included. In fact they are claiming that this is possible!!! The example that they provide in the manual or videos they are the removable ones. I don't think this is scientifically correct! If it removes vibrato, it means it removes every vibrato. But In the vocal that I am using te Melodyne plugin... almost no vibrato can be removed or even REDUCED!!!!

    Of course, I will wait until some folk from Celemony staff give me a definitive answer on that!

    Now, assuming that the vibrato is unremovable/unreducable, what should the recording engineering do? Should ask the player to sing without vibrato, or what?

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    cs


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     Post subject: Re: Removing Vibrato
    PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:23 pm 
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    chikitin,

    which tool have you tried this with? The Pitch Drift or the Pitch Modulation tool? And did you really double-click? Have you got screenshots and sound examples for us, please?

    See also this and this thread.

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     Post subject: Re: Removing Vibrato
    PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 9:03 pm 
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    Quote:
    Now, assuming that the vibrato is unremovable/unreducable, what should the recording engineering do? Should ask the player to sing without vibrato, or what?

    I'll assume that this is a serious question, and treat it as such. Yes, if no vibrato is the goal, then it should really be sung and recorded without vibrato. And for the record, I usually don't have any problems taming both pitch mod. and pitch drift if needed.

    The reason I say that it's difficult (at times) is because sometimes it's a combination of volume, pitch and timbre changes that produce the "vibrato". And to remove all those factors from the performance, while keeping the sound natural, can be hard to do. Depends on the singer really.

    Like Claudio, I'd be interested in hearing an example.

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     Post subject: Re: Removing Vibrato
    PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:17 am 
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    As PT lover says, there are so many factors involved in vibrato that it is very difficult to remove it without leaving artifacts, mod/amplitude seem to be two of them that are heavily influential in the creation of it.

    A de-vibrato tool, or deeper editing features that would allow this would bring Melodyne to the next level.


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